How would Oppo fix this?

"SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media" (silentbutnotreallydeadly) 05/13/2018 at 22:43 • Filed to: Australia, Car Crashes

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1998 Toyota Corolla versus 2015 Toyota Corolla

The average age of a motor vehicle in Australia is 9.8 years. The average age of a motor vehicle involved in a fatal accident last year was 13.1 years. Back in 2015, the average age was 12.5 years.

Of the roughly 1200 to 1300 deaths per annum in the last three years, cars dating from 2001 or before were involved in 36 percent of them, despite the fact that these vehicles make up 20 percent of the fleet. By way of comparison, 32 percent of the fleet is no more than five years old and these vehicles were involved in 12 percent of fatalities.

In a nutshell, Australia’s car fleet is old, older cars are over represented in fatalities, fatality numbers are no longer falling and new cars are safer. Therefore, to fix this, more people should be owning and driving new/newer cars.

If Oppo had the political power, how would we fix this?

Carrot? Stick? Whatever?

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/13/2018 at 23:10

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Clash For Clunkers!

Now it’s for you, and Australia to decide if I am serious or joking.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/13/2018 at 23:12

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Maybe implement a “cash for clunkers” program?

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/13/2018 at 23:15

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I think it is older designs as well as older less well maintained vehicles. I’m not familiar with Australia, but in the states, vehicle inspection varies state to state and even then is comical. I have often thought its nuts how insurance companies don’t require any sort of inspection to know what they really are insuring. I think they don’t care as people driving jalopys will often only insure the state minimum which is comically low. Set it so the state minimum is 500k and the market will clear the old buckets out.

DipodomysDeserti > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/13/2018 at 23:20

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What is this safety you speak of?

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 05/13/2018 at 23:21

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So a perfectly running, properly maintained and legally registered [insert preferred marquee] sports car from 1998 would be considered a clunker and fit for nothing more than scrap? How would you sell that to car enthusiasts?

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 05/13/2018 at 23:23

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Well it worked well in the States...

ranwhenparked > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/13/2018 at 23:23

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I wouldn’t. Not everything has a fix. Some things just are.

If people want, and can afford newer cars, they will buy them, if not, they won’t.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/13/2018 at 23:24

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The condition of cars in California drives me insane. This is a problem everywhere.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/13/2018 at 23:27

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Or did it? ...we’ll never really know.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/13/2018 at 23:28

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Realistically, it might take a few years, but the problem will fix itself right. Old cars get crashed out of existence.

InFierority Complex > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/13/2018 at 23:29

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Are car enthusiasts a big enough voting block to make a difference, anyways?

InFierority Complex > DipodomysDeserti 05/13/2018 at 23:30

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Safety Yellow is a thing, right?

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 05/13/2018 at 23:30

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cover your eyes if you ever have to head to the land of rust

DipodomysDeserti > InFierority Complex 05/13/2018 at 23:32

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1 point for safety? I have a fire extinguisher and a trauma kit, so that’s at least two more point, right?

Urambo Tauro > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/13/2018 at 23:35

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Frankly... I think that focusing only on vehicles involved in FATAL crashes is a red herring. This is how we wind up with more crash mitigation crap instead of fixing the real problem, which is cars getting into crashes at all.

Sure, saving human lives is more important than preventing minor fender-benders, but if more attention was paid to keeping two objects from trying to occupy the same space, we wouldn’t have so many traffic deaths to worry about.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/13/2018 at 23:43

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In many states you can get classic car insurance, at a large discount compared to a daily driver. The main stipulation is an annual miliage limit. Given the steep discount, I would suspect that would correlate to a substantial reduction in accidents.  

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/13/2018 at 23:54

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Yes... those sports cars from 1998 and earlier are dangerous!!! Too unsafe to continue using!!! Crush them all and recycle them into CUVs!!!

And just tell car enthusiasts that it’s for their own Goodman that the nannies in the state know better!!!

/jk

GLiddy > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/14/2018 at 00:12

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Bad drivers disproportionately drive older cars. Could this not be the case? Folks that keep wrecking their cars can’t keep shoveling money into newer cars and the high insurance costs associated with those cars. The three times I’ve been hit (all not my fault) it was by people in old cars who were doing dumb shit stuff.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 05/14/2018 at 00:19

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Good, not goodman.

Damn autocorrect.

My citroen won't start > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/14/2018 at 00:21

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public transport

better driver training

mass killings

mandatory volvos

smobgirl > GLiddy 05/14/2018 at 00:22

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Yeah, on those lines, I’ve been hit twice by people with temp tags (from previous at-fault incidents? Pure speculation...)

Unfortunately people will drive regardless of their legal standing to do so but there are definitely people who need their licenses restricted or removed much sooner than it usually happens here.

Shift24 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 05/14/2018 at 00:48

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Nope, though I mean it could be older i guess. And this was written in 2015, so 2004.

   https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-ihs-average-car-age-20150729-story.html%3foutputType=amp

ranwhenparked > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 05/14/2018 at 01:00

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Well, it could give a good boost to the Australian auto industry.

Shift24 > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/14/2018 at 01:12

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US is older with less inspections. The jalop in me says what about all the 90s Japanese cars I haven’t owned. Even so you can’t force people to buy newer cars.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-ihs-average-car-age-20150729-story.html%3foutputType=amp

Echo51 > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/14/2018 at 02:10

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Stop crashing, duh!1!!!

Echo51 > My citroen won't start 05/14/2018 at 02:12

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Throwing a bunch of 940 bricks into the mix would go well once it descends into Mad Max

duurtlang > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/14/2018 at 02:43

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Have proper yearly vehicle safety inspections, related to brakes, tires, suspension, steering, structural rust and the like. So, make sure the active safety of all cars on the road is where it should be. Older cars will die out naturally.

fatality numbers are no longer falling and new cars are safer.

The old cars of today are built more recently and are safer than the old cars from a decade ago. If fatality numbers are no longer falling the crash safety of the older cars doesn’t seem to be the issue.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > ranwhenparked 05/14/2018 at 05:47

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The what?

Long-Voyager > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/14/2018 at 07:41

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Maybe the problem is the newer cars hitting the older cars, therefore you should eliminate all the newer vehicles and leave the oldies alone!

Long-Voyager > GLiddy 05/14/2018 at 07:43

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Maybe the problem is the people with new cars continually driving distracted trying to blame it on the old cars.

Honestly around here, it’s modern cars driving like dipshits.

Long-Voyager > ranwhenparked 05/14/2018 at 07:44

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This.

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/14/2018 at 08:12

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Correlation does not imply causality! Just because more people die in older cars, does not mean that older cars are the issue. People will continue to die because they are idiots. The solution is stricter standards for having a driver license and retesting periodically. But that said, if it truly is the “older cars” that are the issue and not poor driver education and crumbling infrastructure, then eventually all of the old cars will die off. Then through attrition there will only be new cars left.

Maxima Speed > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/14/2018 at 08:35

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Absolutely nothing.

ranwhenparked > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/14/2018 at 10:07

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Too soon?

NYankee1927 > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/14/2018 at 14:07

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I have been saying all along if people were actually serious about automotive safety, cars would be built with roll cages. We’d all have 6 point harnesses and HANS devices. The technology is there to increase safety, people just want to put on this other charade of making cars safe.

In place of that, here are my other suggestions in no particular order.  

A giant spike on the steering wheel.

Raise taxes against the rich and buy everyone new cars.

Do nothing and accept car safety will always lag behind because it is incredibly detrimental to the economy and environment for everyone to constantly be buying new cars.

Make people less shitty drivers through strict training and licensing.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Long-Voyager 05/14/2018 at 20:25

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my state moved to sequential plates. And lo and behold when i see some asshat weaving in traffic its with a car registered in the last 6 months.

Granted it isn’t always brand new, but my suspicion is there is a reason they’re driving a recently registered car, and not one they carried the plate over from.

Nauraushaun > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/14/2018 at 20:52

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I am aware that, as an Australian with a 30 year old MR2, if anyone crashes into me or I into them I am dead.

It’s a thrill

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Nauraushaun 05/15/2018 at 00:21

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Both our cars are approaching the end of their second decade. I hear you.

Nauraushaun > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 05/16/2018 at 23:24

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a THRILL